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קליפ » 24/5/2011 00:52

Suspect in New Square Arson Attack Now Facing Murder Charge
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קליפ » 24/5/2011 00:53

עםהארץל » 24/5/2011 03:34

צעטל וואס הענגט יעצט אין סקווערער שוהל
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ברךמשהחסיד » 24/5/2011 04:10

די בילדער פון דעם "פארברענטן" קוקן אויס זייער שוידערליך, און דער חילול השם וואס דאס מאכט אויף חסיד'ישע אידן, אז זיי זענען עלול אויף רציחה פאר'ן נישט דאווענען אין די שול וואס דער רבי הייסט, איז א פרייז וואס אלע אידן אין ניו יארק באצאלן, נישט נאר דער סקווערער רבי מיט די סקווערער חסידים, ווייל די גוים פארשטייען נישט קיין גרויסע חילוקים.

דער פראבלעם איז נאך גרעסער אז ביי אונז וועלן נאך זיין אזעלכע וואס וועלן דאס האלב וועגס פארענטפערן אז מען קען עס "פארשטיין", ווייל יענער איז א מחוצף, וכדומה.
אין א סטעיטמענט וואס סקווירא האט געגעבן פאר די פרעסע זאגט ער אזוי: "הוא ראה אברך מושחת, שפוגע בחסידות - והחליט לעשות מעשה. זה לא על דעת אף אחד מההנהלה".

דאס איז האלב פארדאמט, און דער פשט דערפון איז, אז בעצם האט מען עס געדארפט טאן, און ס'קומט זיך אים, נאר דער הויז-בחור האט עס געדארפט מאכן בעסער, אז מען זאל קענען זאגן "מסתמא איז עס געווען גוים", און אזוי ווי דער הויז-בחור איז דורכגעפאלן דארף מען זיך אביסל אפשאקלען.

מען דארף געדענקען אז היינט איז א אפענע וועלט, ס'איז נישט אמאל, יעדע זאך ווערט פאטאגראפירט און זייער שנעל צושפרייט בארבע פינות העולם, און אזא זאך איז א מעוות לא יוכל לתקן.

דאס שעדיגט די אינטערעסן פונעם גאנצן ציבור!

boyskver » 24/5/2011 04:27

דא איז דאס צעטל פון זייער ב"ד וואס האט געגעבן דעם היתר און געגעבן פאר יעדן די רעכט פאר רציחות, ווי זיי שרייבן אויך "וצריכים למנוע אותו בהכניסה"
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סענעטאר » 24/5/2011 04:38

לדעתי איז "אחד מבכירי החסידות" וואס האט געגעבן דעם אונטערוויו פאר בחדרי אדער א לץ אדער א שטוהר. אין אנדערע ווערטער זאגט ער: דער ראטענבערג איז א עזות פנים, און דעריבער וועלן מיר פארברענען אויפן אוטו-דה-פע. טיפיקעל אהרן טייטלבוים.

עםהארץל » 24/5/2011 04:48

דער בחור איז א פשוטער סקווערער בחור, אזוי לערענט מען זיי, ווער עס פאלגט נישט דארף מען פארברענען לעבעדיגערהייט

עס פאלט אים נישט איין אז ער פארשעמט זיך און די גאנצע סקווערע קהילה ווען ער זאגט עס איבער

עםהארץל » 24/5/2011 05:03

FBI היינט ביים סקווערערס הויז
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סטראבערי » 24/5/2011 05:19

אויף דעם צעטל פון פ' תולדות שטייט אז זיי לאזן אים מער נישט אריין אין זייערע בנינים,
נו ואס פארדרייען זיי א ספאדיק אז ער איז נישט געקומען דאווענען.
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און לגבי זייער נייע צעטל,
איך כאפ זיך יעצט אז דאס איז א כאָפטע משוגעים,
מ'ברויך נעמען שטייער-צאלער'ס געלט, און אהינטראגן צענדליגע פעסיכאלאגן און פשוט אנהייבן פון דאסניי!
טייטש מ'האט 50% דערהרג'ט א וואוילע יוד, און שיעור דערהרג'עט זיינע פיצלעך קינדער
און בי"ד גיבט ארויס א צעטל, ווי כאילו דא האנדלט זיך'
אז מ'האט אריינגעווארפן איינעם'ס הוט אין וואסער....
-כ'מיין דא דארף ווען קומען א מעכטיגע יום עצרת ותענית אז אזאנץ האט געקענט פארקומען אים שטאט!
א גענעראל פארזאהמלונג!
א צונאמי דארף מען מאכן, אז א בחור וואס שלאפט נישט אין גאס אדער לפחות אין ישיבה;
נאר אין רבינ'ס 'הייליגע' שטוהב האט אזאנץ געקענט אפטוהן!!
א שעֶים!!

SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 06:24


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תוקן על ידי SatmarBum ב- 24/05/2011 07:18:54

SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 06:25

SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 07:21



Attempted Murder Charge Filed In Ramapo Arson Case Sparked By Religious Dispute

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New Square resident Aron Rottenberg, 43, was hospitalized with burns to 50 percent of his body after an attack apparently sparked by a religious dispute. (Credit: CBS 2)

New Square resident Aron Rottenberg, 43, was hospitalized with burns to 50 percent of his body after an attack apparently sparked by a religious dispute. (Credit: CBS 2)

RAMAPO, N.Y. (CBSNewYork/AP) –  A charge of attempted murder has been added against an 18-year-old man who allegedly set a neighbor on fire in what may have been a religious dispute in a Hasidic Jewish village in Rockland County.

Ramapo police Chief Peter Brower said Monday that Shaul Spitzer of New Square was trying to burn down Aron Rottenberg’s house when both men suffered burns and were hospitalized Sunday.

WCBS 880′s Catherine Cioffi With More On The Charges

Rottenberg prayed in a nearby senior center instead of at a big synagogue in New City. Because of that choice, he may have been targeted and is now recovering from severe burns following an arson attack at his home.

“It’s about control. I mean, they want to have control of the place and he didn’t obey by their rules,” Moshe Eblaum, the victim’s son-in-law, told CBS 2′s Lou Young.

Rottenberg apparently endured rocks being throw at his house and shouted threats before the arson attack.

It’s believed Spitzer was carrying rags soaked with flammable liquid and somehow tripped an alarm as he came to the Rottenberg’s back porch.

Spitzer was caught on one of the video cameras and people inside the house came out. A struggle ensued and there was a burst of flames. By the time police got there, Rottenberg was seated on the steps badly burned.

Brower said the 43-year-old Rottenberg had third-degree burns on half his body. Spitzer had burns on his hands and arms. He now faces charges of arson, assault and attempted murder. Police did not know if he had a lawyer.

“We are not going to tolerate this. We will follow this investigation to wherever it may take as far as anyone else that may be involved,” Town Supervisor Chris St. Lawrence said.

The accused arsonist will likely be arraigned at his beside at Cornell Burn Center in Manhattan. When he’s well enough he’ll be brought back to the Rockland County Jail on charges that could get him 25 years in prison.

(TM and Copyright 2011 CBS Radio Inc. and its relevant subsidiaries. CBS RADIO and EYE Logo TM and Copyright 2011 CBS Broadcasting Inc. Used under license. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)




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SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 07:47

http://www.bhol.co.il/Article.aspx?id=27944


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סקווירא מגיבה לראשונה: "רוטנברג תיכנן מרד מאורגן באדמו"ר" • בלעדי
במשך יממה הותקפה חסידות סקווירא בכלי התקשורת - וכעת יוצאים ראשיה למתקפת-נגד • אחד מבכירי החסידות ל'בחדרי חרדים': "50 שנה אף אחד לא העז להמרות פי האדמו"ר, רוטנברג איים למוטט את הכל • ניסינו להציע לו לעבור מקום - אבל הוא סירב" • בלעדי: מכתב רבני סקווירא נגד התקיפה
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העיירה ניו-סקווער, הממוקמת שליד העיר מונסי שבמדינת ניו-יורק, סוערת: בחור ישיבה נעצר ביום א', לאחר שהצית את ביתו של ר' חיים אהרון רוטנברג - תושב ניו-סקווער, המסרב להתפלל בבית הכנסת המרכזי של החסידות, ומתעקש - בניגוד לרצון האדמו"ר - להתפלל בבית-כנסת אחר, הממוקם בבית אבות שבשולי השכונה.

עוד בנושא:
• הלם בסקווער • חסיד ניסה לרצוח חסיד • וידאו

כתוצאה מההצתה, שבוצעה במוצאי-שבת, באישון ליל, נשרף ר' חיים אהרן רוטנברג בידיו ובחלקים אחרים בגופו, והוא מאושפז בבית-חולים במצב קשה.

מצלמה במעגל סגור שפעלה בביתו, תיעדה את ההצתה, והמשטרה עצרה את בחור הישיבה, שנראה בסרט ההקלטה כשהוא מצית את הבית.

לאחר הסערה הגדולה, ובעקבות המתקפה התקשורתית שספגה החסידות, משוחח אחד מבכירי החסידות עם כתב 'בחדרי חרדים', ומגולל לראשונה את גרסת החסידות לסערה המתחוללת בעיירה החסידית.



"בכדי להבין מה שקרה", פותח הבכיר, "צריך לתת מעט רקע היסטורי. העיירה הוקמה לאחר השואה האיומה, על-ידי רבי יעקב יוסף טברסקי זצ"ל - האדמו"ר מסקוירא. העיירה הוקמה עם תקנות ברורות - שיש שקראו להן נוקשות - אך תמיד היה ברור: מי שלא מתאים לו, יכול לקום ולעזוב. אנחנו לא כופים על אף אחד להישאר פה.

"במשך 50 שנה אף אחד לא העז למרוד בתקנות של החסידות, עד שבא אברך צעיר וחצוף והתחיל למרוד בתקנות של האדמו"ר.

"בהתחלה הוא הקים בית-כנסת נפרד, בעוד שבתקנות כתוב שכל החסידים יתפללו בבית הכנסת של הקהילה. אחר-כך הוא המשיך בעוד מעשים חמורים, שאין כאן המקום לפורטם.

"אנחנו ראינו שאותו אברך לוקח את הרס הקהילה כפרויקט אישי, והחלטנו לדבר איתו בדרכי נועם. בתקופה האחרונה התברר לנו שהוא גם 'מויסר' לשלטונות, אבל עדיין לא רצינו לנקוט כנגדו בפעולות.

"למעלה משנה שכנענו אותו לעזוב את המקום. סידרנו לו דירה במונסי, אבל הוא לא רצה ללכת. הוא העדיף להישאר ולהיתקע לנו כמו עצם בגרון. הוא ירד לחיינו, פשוטו כמשמעו".

"יחקרו גם את בית האדמו"ר"
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הרב רוטנברג לפני התקיפה. צילום רפרודקציה

• אז מה - מישהו שלח את הבחור להרוג את האברך ש'התסיס' נגד הקהילה?

"ממש לא. הבחור הוא קטין, שבקושי מלאו לו 18. הוא ראה אברך מושחת, שפוגע בחסידות - והחליט לעשות מעשה. זה לא על דעת אף אחד מההנהלה.

"הרבנים של סקוירא פועלים בדרכי נועם. רק היום יצא מכתב (מצורף בתחתית הכתבה), שיש לנהוג רק בדרכי נועם. 50 שנה לא היה בעיירה מעשה אלימות, וגם להבא לא יהיה. כל טענה תתברר במוסדות המקובלים".

• שמענו שהרבנית נחקרה. יש חשש שהמעשה זכה לגיבוי מהנהלת החסידות?

"בבית האדמו"ר הכל מוקלט ומתועד. אף אחד לא חושד שזה הגיע מהכיוון הזה. כמו בכל חקירה, המשטרה עשויה לבדוק את כל כיווני החקירה. יכול להיות שבני הבית ייחקרו. יכול להיות שגם הרבנית תיחקר. אבל אף לא חושד בבית האדמו"ר".

• אתם מתכוננים להגיב בתקשורת על ההשמצות נגד החסידות?

"מחר (ג'), בשעה 14:00, יכנסו ראשי החסידות מסיבת עיתונאים, ויגוללו את הפרשה מתחילתה. הציבור יראה וישפוט".

פירסום ראשון • המכתב ששיגרו רבני החסידות

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פריש
איך האב געליינט פארמעגליך'ס ארטיקל אויף סקווירא יעצט
אין זאלסט מיר מוחל זיין עס איז ווייט פון אקטועל
פארמעגליך קען זיין פארשטייט תהלוכות סאטמאר אבער די אנדערע קהילות הייבט ער נישט אן צו פארשטיין בכלל
נישט די מעלות נישט די חסרונות וואס ער דא געשריבען זענען ריכטיג
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איך האלט זיך נישט פאר א גרויסער מבין אויף סקווער, אבער אויף וויפיל איך האב געליינט און גענישטערט דא אויפן אינטערנעט דערוועגן זעט ער גראדע יא אויס צו רעדן צום זאך.

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SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 14:41

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רבני סקווירא מפרסמים מחאה נוקבת: "אין הצדקה לאלימות"

בסקווירא מתקשים להתאושש מההלם הכבד בעקבות תקיפתו של האברך חיים אהרון רוטנברג ● ביום שאחרי, מפרסמים ראשי הקהילה והרבנים מחאה חריפה: "הננו מוחים בכל תוקף נגד כל מעשי אלימות בכל צורה" ● בצעד נדיר, החסידות תקיים מחר מסיבת עיתונאים וותתייחס לנושא (בתפוצות)

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כ' באייר תשעא   09:48  24.05.11
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האברך שהותקף לצד מחאת הרבנים (צילום מסך) - אחרי ההלם: רבני סקווירא במחאה חריפה
האברך שהותקף לצד מחאת הרבנים (צילום מסך)

הסערה בעיירה החסידית סקווירא, בעקבות תקיפתו של האברך חיים אהרון רוטנברג בבקבוק תבערה שהושלך על ביתו, מסרבת לגווע.

אמש, לאורך היום, המשיכה המשטרה המקומית לחקור לעומק את המקרה הקשה.

ל"כיכר השבת" נודע כי במשך היום נחקרו בין היתר גם גורמים הקשורים למשפחת האדמו"ר.

מנגד, ראשי הקהילה וחברי הבד"ץ של החסידות יצאו אמש בהודעה תקיפה המגנה את המעשה.

במכתב שהופץ ברחבי השיכון החסידי כותבים הרבנים: "הננו מוחים בכל תוקף ועוז נגד כל מעשי אלימות בכל צורה שהיא.

"ואף על פי שהרבה כוחות הושקעו לסדר הכל אך ורק בדרכי שלום, אין שום הצדקה שאנשים פרטיים יעשו על דעתם מעשים אשר לא ייעשו".

המכתב נחתם בתקווה "לזכות לרומם קרן התורה והיראה מתוך ברכה והצלחה, ושנשמע ונתבשר טוב כל הימים".

בשעה 14:00 מחר, שעון ניו-יורק, תערוך החסידות, בצעד חריג, מסיבת עיתונאים מיוחדת במהלכה יגוללו בפני כלי התקשורת את השתלשלות האירועים ויציגו את גירסתם המלאה לסיפור.

אתמול נתלו ברחבי ירושלים מודעות בהם נקרא הציבור להתפלל לרפואת האברך חיים אהרון בן חיה שרה רוטנברג, שנפצע כאמור, לאחר שהותקף בבקבוק תבערה.



http://www.ladaat.net/article.php?do=viewarticle&articleid=11652



סקווירא: בחור השליך בקבוק תבערה על אברך
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בחור חסיד סקווירא השליך בקבוק תבערה לעבר אברך בחסידות שארגן מניין נפרד. האברך נפצע קשה ומאושפז, הבחור נעצר ויאושם בניסיון לרצח.
ירוחם שמואלביץ י"ט באייר התשע"א 12:14

האלימות שברה את כל השיאים וחצתה את כל הגבולות. חסיד סקווירא, המתגורר בעיירה ניו סקווירא שבניו יורק, הצית את חברו באמצעות זריקת בקבוק תבערה לעברו, שעה ששהה בביתו.

 

המקרה הקשה אירע בשעת לילה של לג' בעומר, שעה שלביתו של הרב אהרון רוטנברג, הושלך בקבוק תבערה. כתוצאה מהדליקה שפרצה, נפצע הרב רוטנברג בכל חלקי גופו, והוא הובהל לבית החולים המקומי, כשהוא סובל מכוויות בדרגה ג' בגפיים העליונות והתחתונות, וכן בבטנו. מצבו הוגדר כקשה והוא מטופל במחלקה לטיפול נמרץ.

 

כבר בדקות שלאחר האירוע, הגיעו שוטרים רבים למקום והחלו לבצע חקירה מהירה. מצלמות האבטחה הסגירו את אחד הבחורים כשהוא משליך את בקבוק התבערה. תוך זמן קצר נעצר הבחור ובחקירתו הודה במיוחס לו. בכוונת המשטרה להגיש נגדו כתב אישום מהיר על ניסיון לרצח.

 

לאחר מספר שעות החלו להתברר פרטים אודות הרקע למעשה. מסתבר כי בתקופה האחרונה החלו להתפלל מספר חסידים במניין נפרד מזה שבבית מדרש הגדול, דבר שמנוגד לתקנות החסידות. אותו בחור החליט להעניש את מארגן המניין, ובשל כך החליט לזרוק בקבוק תבערה לביתו.

 


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New Square burn victim had feared for his safety

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תוקן על ידי SatmarBum ב- 24/05/2011 15:40:51

SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 14:53

http://yourjewishnews.com/6641.aspx

Hatzolah refused to help New Square burn victim.

A Truman Avenue man was severely burned Sunday in an early morning arson attack that police linked to a simmering religious feud in the Hasidic village.

Ramapo police said the victim, Aron Rottenberg, 43, suffered third-degree burns to 50 percent of his body after physically confronting an attacker carrying a rag soaked with flammable liquid behind his Truman Avenue home at 4:12 a.m.

Police later arrested 18-year-old Shaul Spitzer, of nearby Adams Lane, on felony counts of first-degree attempted arson and first-degree assault.

Police said Spitzer had serious burns to his hands and arms. He was hospitalized in Nyack before being taken to Cornell Medical Center.

Rottenberg was taken to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, police said.

Police said the Rottenberg family has previously been the target of violence and protests. The feud stems from the fact that Rottenberg worships at the Friedwald Center, not the community's main synagogue used by David Twersky, the Skver Hasidic grand rabbi and the worldwide community's dynastic leader.

On May 6, more than 100 volunteer firefighters were called out after the vacant upper floor of a Bush Lane house caught fire where another dissident family lived. The cause of another fire on Truman Avenue in September was not determined.

Rottenberg and his family had installed surveillance cameras on the two-story structure because of concerns over previous incidents, police said.

Police said Sunday they had not yet found any connection with past incidents against the family and other dissidents living in the community.

"I know there is a history there and we're aware of problems within the community," Ramapo Police Detective Lt. Mark Emma said. "We have no evidence there is a connection. We're still investigating."

Several residents who had gathered along Truman Avenue on Sunday afternoon declined to speak with a Journal News reporter.

A Ramapo police cruiser was parked in front of the Rottenberg's home. The modest two-story wooden structure that is located only two doors down from the Truman Avenue shul, a multi-story glass and stone building that towers over the neighborhood of drab apartment buildings and construction lots.

Chad Cooperman, whose father owns the New Square Fish Market on Adams Lane, said he had heard nothing about the crime and did not know either the Rottenberg or Spitzer. "About 20 families have those last names," he said.

The attack started after 4 a.m. Rottenberg's son woke up his father after hearing someone out on the porch of the family home, police said.

Four family members were at home at the time and began watching a security camera monitor when they saw a man later identified as Spitzer throw something onto their rear deck, Emma said.

The item turned out to be a rag soaked in flammable liquid intended to light the house on fire, police said. Rottenberg and his son went outside, where the father confronted Spitzer, Emma said.

"Somehow — we're not sure yet — the victim's clothes caught on fire," Emma said. "He has severe burns to his face, arms, and chest."

The Rottenberg's son rolled him on the ground to put out the flames, Emma said. Spitzer is alleged to have fled the scene before being arrested by police at 8:30 a.m.

Rockland Paramedic Services was called to the scene and found a badly burned Rottenberg sitting on the front steps of his home. He was taken to the burn unit at Westchester Medical Center.

Police said Spitzer also had serious burns to his hands and arms. He was hospitalized in Nyack before being taken to Cornel Medical Center.

Other charges against Spitzer are possible, including attempted murder or murder if Rottenberg were to die, police said.

The attack came on the first night of Lag B'Omer, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish celebration involving dancing around bonfires. Fire departments in Hillcrest, Monsey, Tallman and West Haverstraw responded to 17 trash bin and garbage can fires between 8:01 p.m. Saturday and 12:35 p.m. Sunday.

Ramapo police were later assisted by the Rockland Sheriff's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation fire unit and the Rockland County Computer Crimes Unit.

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תוקן על ידי מנהל_ניק ב- 24/05/2011 15:05:39

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SatmarBum » 24/5/2011 15:07



http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/family-man-burned-after-prayer-group-dispute-20110523

Family: Man Burned After Prayer Group Dispute

By TI-HUA CHANG

MYFOXNY.COM - Aron Rottenberg is recovering at Westchester Medical Center with burns on 50 percent of his body. The pain is excruciating, his family says. He was burned when he and his son wrestled with a would-be arsonist who on 4 a.m. Sunday had placed flammable rags on Rottenberg's wooden back porch in New Square and tried to light them, according to police.

Four hours later, cops arrested Shaul Spitzer, 18, who lives nearby. He had burns on his hands. He was charged with arson, attempted murder, and assault.

Rottenberg's wife and daughters were at home sleeping when his son saw on security cameras there was a man in the backyard. They could have died in the fire according to police and the victim's son in law.

Moshe Elbaum, the victim's son-in-law, said Rottenberg's problems began after he started a prayer group in the Friedwald Center instead of the main synagogue of the Skver Hasidim, a block away.

Elbaum said that last year the rabbi of the synagogue, David Twersky, announced no one should pray outside the main synagogue.

That day, Rottenberg's car windows were broken, then his house windows, then 100 people chanted outside his home "Aron Rottenberg, leave the neighborhood," then the attempted firebombing.

Police acknowledged that these incidents occurred but have made no arrests in any of them. They also said they have no known motive for Sunday's attempted firebombing.

Cops said Spitzer, who will be arraigned form his hospital bed, will not speak to them.





http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hasidic_holy_war_horror_wg2Q6LerdbdIlvoJ8I5MSN


Hasidic holy war horror

A man suffered severe burns during a fight amid a religious dispute in the all-Hasidic Rockland County village of New Square, cops said.

Police said the 43-year-old victim, Aron Rottenberg, fought off a village resident armed with an incendiary device.

The suspect, Shaul Spitzer, 18, was charged with attempted arson and first-degree assault. He suffered serious burns to his hands and arms.

Rottenberg was hospitalized with burns to 50 percent of his body, according to the Journal News, which quoted cops as saying he and his family had been targeted for not attending the synagogue presided over by the grand rabbi. They went to a rival synagogue instead.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/23/2011-05-23_badly_burned_in_hasidic_rift.html

Religious rift in Rockland County Hasidic town turns violent



A religious rift in a Rockland County Hasidic town turned violent Sunday when a man was severely burned.

Cops arrested a man from a rival synagogue, according to The Journal News.

Aron Rottenberg, 43, suffered third-degree burns to more than 50% of his body when Shaul Spitzer attacked him with a rag soaked in flammable fluid, police told the newspaper.

Police arrested Spitzer after the attack at 4 a.m. in New Square and charged him with first-degree attempted arson and first-degree assault.

Spitzer also suffered severe burns to his hands and arms, police told the newspaper.

Members of the Friedwald Center, where Rottenberg and his family worship, have split from the congregation of David Twersky, the Hasidic community's grand rabbi and leader.





50 percent of HV man's body burned in alleged arson attack

(05/23/11) NEW SQUARE - An 18-year-old New Square man has been charged with attempted murder after allegedly attacking another man yesterday morning, who suffered third-degree burns to 50 percent of his body.

Police say 43-year-old Aron Rottenberg, a local plumber, was no stranger to local animosity in the tightly knit Hasidic community. Neighbors say that Rottenberg and his family have been targets of religious violence because they don't pray at the community's main synagogue.

According to investigators, Rottenberg was watching the surveillance cameras he installed on his home when he noticed 18-year-old Shaul Spitzer, of New Square, throw a flaming rag onto his back porch.

Rottenberg was able to fight off Spitzer, who was allegedly carrying a rag soaked with flammable liquid during the struggle.

Police: New Square man badly burned in fight




http://www.lohud.com/article/20110524/NEWS03/105240333/New-Square-burn-victim-had-feared-his-safety


New Square burn victim had feared for his safety


Ramapo Police Chief Peter Brower announces the charges against a New Square man in connection with Sunday's arson attack against Aron Rottenberg, 43, of New Square. Behind Brower at Monday's news conference is Ramapo Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence.
Ramapo Police Chief Peter Brower announces the charges against a New Square man in connection with Sunday's arson attack against Aron Rottenberg, 43, of New Square. Behind Brower at Monday's news conference is Ramapo Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence. / Ricky Flores/The Journal News

A New Square man who was severely burned early Sunday during an attack on his home had been the victim of growing harassment for more than a year because he did not attend the community's main synagogue.

Aron Rottenberg, 43, who suffered third-degree burns to half his body, visited The Journal News office in November to express concerns about his safety.

Rottenberg had been ostracized by the Skver Hasidic sect that runs New Square because he did not worship at the community's main synagogue, headed by Grand Rebbe David Twersky.

A letter distributed to the community in November by New Square's leadership and rabbinical court warned that not worshipping at the synagogue was a severe violation and that anyone in violation must be stopped from using the community's facilities.

"This all started when Rabbi David Twersky called for a meeting demanding the religious services outside his synagogue must be stopped," wrote Sam Dirnfeld, a New Square resident, in an email.

Rottenberg's son-in-law Moshe Elbaum said the family had faced growing levels of intimidation in recent months, including broken windows in their home. Some protested outside the Rottenberg home in November, calling on them to leave. The family later installed surveillance cameras.

The cameras didn't help on Sunday. Just after 4 a.m., Rottenberg confronted a man carrying a rag soaked with flammable liquid behind his home on Truman Avenue and was severely burned during a confrontation.

Rottenberg is in serious condition at Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla but is expected to survive.

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of nearby Adams Lane, was arrested and now faces charges of first-degree arson and second-degree attempted murder, both felonies. Spitzer also suffered serious burns to his hands and arms and is being held at Cornell Medical Center in Manhattan. He has not yet been arraigned.

At a news conference Monday, Police Chief Peter Brower said his detectives had not found evidence linking the attack on Rottenberg's house to the previous protests in the community.





תוקן על ידי SatmarBum ב- 24/05/2011 15:33:39

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וואלןסח » 24/5/2011 17:32

ווער איז דער אויף די מיטלסטע פיקטשער?

עםהארץל » 24/5/2011 17:38

ישראל מאיר לאוו, דער רב הראשי פון מדינת ישראל

ביידען » 24/5/2011 17:47

א חילול השם איום ונורא ארטיקלן אין גרעסטע אמעריקאנע נייעס אגענטורן וואס ווערט געליינט דורך מיליאנע גוים

boyskver » 24/5/2011 17:47

עקספלאשין! סיוול רייטס (ק"י) לויער מייקל סאסמאן האט אן גענומען דעם קעיס פאררופען א מעכטיגע נוס קאנפערענס פאר די וועלטליכע פרעססע

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קידושלבנה » 24/5/2011 18:09

ווי קען מען הערן די דרשה פון די מנהל ישיבת סקווירא?

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קליפ » 24/5/2011 19:09

New Square Arson Suspect Being Arraigned in NYC Hospital

boyskver » 24/5/2011 21:04

ווי דערלעבט שוין צו זען אינזער רבינ'ס נאמען אין דעם קאנטעמט? בקרוב איה"ש
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מענדל בערגער דעם רבינס גבאי דער זון פון חיים בערגער וואס איז געשטארבן אין תפיסה הערט מען ווי ער טערארזירט איינוויונערס בשם דעם הייליגען רבין
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תוקן על ידי boyskver ב- 24/05/2011 23:54:07

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New Square burn victim had feared for his safety

10:08 PM, May. 23, 2011 |

Ramapo Police Chief Peter Brower announces the charges against a New Square man in connection with Sunday's arson attack against Aron Rottenberg, 43, of New Square. Behind Brower at Monday's news conference is Ramapo Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence.Ramapo Police Chief Peter Brower announces the charges against a New Square man in connection with Sunday's arson attack against Aron Rottenberg, 43, of New Square. Behind Brower at Monday's news conference is Ramapo Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence. / Ricky Flores/The Journal News

 

A New Square man who was severely burned early Sunday during an attack on his home had been the victim of growing harassment for more than a year because he did not attend the community's main synagogue.

Aron Rottenberg, 43, who suffered third-degree burns to half his body, visited The Journal News office in November to express concerns about his safety.

Rottenberg had been ostracized by the Skver Hasidic sect that runs New Square because he did not worship at the community's main synagogue, headed by Grand Rebbe David Twersky.

A letter distributed to the community in November by New Square's leadership and rabbinical court warned that not worshipping at the synagogue was a severe violation and that anyone in violation must be stopped from using the community's facilities.

"This all started when Rabbi David Twersky called for a meeting demanding the religious services outside his synagogue must be stopped," wrote Sam Dirnfeld, a New Square resident, in an email.

Rottenberg's son-in-law Moshe Elbaum said the family had faced growing levels of intimidation in recent months, including broken windows in their home. Some protested outside the Rottenberg home in November, calling on them to leave. The family later installed surveillance cameras.

The cameras didn't help on Sunday. Just after 4 a.m., Rottenberg confronted a man carrying a rag soaked with flammable liquid behind his home on Truman Avenue and was severely burned during a confrontation.

Rottenberg is in serious condition at Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla but is expected to survive.

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of nearby Adams Lane, was arrested and now faces charges of first-degree arson and second-degree attempted murder, both felonies. Spitzer also suffered serious burns to his hands and arms and is being held at Cornell Medical Center in Manhattan. He has not yet been arraigned.

At a news conference Monday, Police Chief Peter Brower said his detectives had not found evidence linking the attack on Rottenberg's house to the previous protests in the community

Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence said he was assured by New Square Deputy Mayor Israel Spitzer that Sunday's attack was an isolated incident, the result of a private dispute and not part of a campaign of retribution.

Yossi Gestetner, a Monsey-based journalist who works with the Hasidic community, said New Square leaders would never condone such violence.

"Did the rabbinical leadership have issues with Mr. Rottenberg? Yes," Gestetner said. "But to conclude they would sanction violence is wrong."

But others suggested that the campaign against Rottenberg inspired Sunday's violence.

"If you don't follow the rules, this is what happens," said Elbaum, a former New Square resident.

Dirnfeld said he had little faith in local law enforcement because of its ties to New Square. He called for a federal investigation.

"I know there will be retaliation against me for speaking up, but as there is no responsible leadership, someone has to," he wrote.

One New Square woman said she and her friends were waiting for New Square's leadership to condemn Sunday's act and were bitterly disappointed that nothing was said.

"No one has come out to condemn the action of that boy," she said. "The girls went back to school. The boys went back to yeshiva. Nothing. It is against Judaism, against the Torah."

The woman did not want to be identified because she said she would be shunned and her property vandalized.

She said residents don't know what to tell their kids about Sunday's violence.

"People are hurting others, burning others, throwing rocks into windows, doing things to people's property, and no one condemns them," she said. "A group of men think that when New Square was built, the grand rebbe's father, who built the village, said everyone should pray in one synagogue. Did he know there would be many, many more people here and that not everyone would want to go to the same synagogue?"

Divisions within Skver and other Hasidic sects only occasionally spill into public view. New Square is a mystery to most. Its population grew by 50 percent to 6,944 between 2000 and 2010, as most adults marry young and have large families. New Square's average household of 5.54 people is the largest in the region

Samuel Heilman of New Rochelle, distinguished professor of sociology at Queens College and one of the nation's leading experts on Hasidim, said the Skver community is a monolithic place where people are always on the lookout for challenges that could lead to divisions. People also believe the grand rebbe is their intermediary to God, so perceived challenges to his authority are taken seriously.

"The idea of a crack in the charter of the community is really frightening to them," he said.

Rottenberg and up to 30 others had decided to pray at the Friedwald Center, a rehabilitation and nursing center on New Hempstead Road, rather than New Square's main synagogue on Truman Avenue. Elbaum said the community's pressure dropped the number of worshippers to a handful, including his father-in-law.

Internal disputes rarely involve violence, although there is a tradition of using force to confront a wrong-doer, Heilman said. A dissenter is more likely to be cut off by the community.

"I could see a young man, who probably doesn't understand the rabbinic norms, figuring that if someone doesn't follow the conservative line, you can impose it on him," Heilman said. "It's not an impossible jump."

The Skver Hasidic movement was founded in modern-day Ukraine in the city of Skver during the late 1700s. Rabbis in the Twersky line are believed to have been at the helm since the earliest days. The movement came to Brooklyn during the 1920s. Then in 1954, Rabbi Yaakov Yosef Twersky, the grand rebbe of the day, bought 130 acres of a former dairy farm outside Spring Valley to form New Square.

Many of the community's early residents were Holocaust survivors, and none had been followers of Twersky previously, according to "Hasidic People: A Place in the New World," a 1992 book by the late scholar Jerome R. Mintz.

"They were united in the dream of the new community and in their faith in the sincerity and piety of the Skverer Rebbe," he wrote.

The settlement incorporated as a village in 1961 after battling the Ramapo Town Board over zoning regulations. When the grand rebbe died in 1968, David Twersky was quickly named his successor.

A similar division has been seen in the Satmar Hasidic sect. A group that opposed the chief rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum in Orange County's Kiryas Joel village wound up battling the sect in the state courts over where it could worship.

The highest-profile Hasidic split has been for the leadership of the vast Satmar movement, with two sons of the late rebbe splitting the movement into two groups as they battled for power.

 

Suspect in New Square arson attack now facing murder charge

May 23, 2011

New Square — Ramapo police have upgraded the charges against the suspect believed to have attacked a Truman Avenue man early Sunday morning after trying to burn down his home.

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of nearby Adams Lane, now faces charges of first-degree arson and second-degree attempted murder, both felonies. He had previously been charged with felony counts of first-degree attempted arson and first-degree assault.

Police said Spitzer was responsible in the arson attack that left Aron Rottenberg, 43, with third-degree burns to 50 percent of his body.

Rottenberg was taken to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla and remains there in serious condition. He is expected to survive his injuries, police said today.

Rottenberg's family say they have been the target of violence and protests in the Hasidic enclave because Rottenberg worships at the Friedwald Center, rather than the community's main synagogue.

But at a press conference at 2:30 p.m. today Ramapo Supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence said he had spoken with New Square Deputy Mayor Israel Spitzer and had been assured that Sunday's attack was the result of a private dispute between the two men and not a campaign of retribution.

Rottenberg's family has strongly disputed that conclusion.

Police said they are continuing to investigate and released only a few additional details, some of them grisly.

When police arrived at Rottenberg's home on Sunday at 4:12 a.m. they found him sitting on the front steps of his home so badly burned smoke was rising from his body.

Rottenberg's son also suffered burns on his fingers after trying to put out the flames.

Read more tomorrow at lohud.com and in The Journal News.




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boyskver » 25/5/2011 01:19

נאך פון היינטיגע צייטונג- הצלה האט נישט געוואלט העלפן א איד רח"ל !!!


Hatzolah refused to help
New Square burn victim


A Truman Avenue man was severely burned Sunday in an early morning arson attack that police linked to a simmering religious feud in the Hasidic village.

Ramapo police said the victim, Aron Rottenberg, 43, suffered third-degree burns to 50 percent of his body after physically confronting an attacker carrying a rag soaked with flammable liquid behind his Truman Avenue home at 4:12 a.m.

Police later arrested 18-year-old Shaul Spitzer, of nearby Adams Lane, on felony counts of first-degree attempted arson and first-degree assault.

Police said Spitzer had serious burns to his hands and arms. He was hospitalized in Nyack before being taken to Cornell Medical Center.

Rottenberg was taken to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, police said.

Police said the Rottenberg family has previously been the target of violence and protests. The feud stems from the fact that Rottenberg worships at the Friedwald Center, not the community's main synagogue used by David Twersky, the Skver Hasidic grand rabbi and the worldwide community's dynastic leader.

On May 6, more than 100 volunteer firefighters were called out after the vacant upper floor of a Bush Lane house caught fire where another dissident family lived. The cause of another fire on Truman Avenue in September was not determined.

Rottenberg and his family had installed surveillance cameras on the two-story structure because of concerns over previous incidents, police said.

Police said Sunday they had not yet found any connection with past incidents against the family and other dissidents living in the community.

"I know there is a history there and we're aware of problems within the community," Ramapo Police Detective Lt. Mark Emma said. "We have no evidence there is a connection. We're still investigating."

Several residents who had gathered along Truman Avenue on Sunday afternoon declined to speak with a Journal News reporter.

A Ramapo police cruiser was parked in front of the Rottenberg's home. The modest two-story wooden structure that is located only two doors down from the Truman Avenue shul, a multi-story glass and stone building that towers over the neighborhood of drab apartment buildings and construction lots.

Chad Cooperman, whose father owns the New Square Fish Market on Adams Lane, said he had heard nothing about the crime and did not know either the Rottenberg or Spitzer. "About 20 families have those last names," he said.

The attack started after 4 a.m. Rottenberg's son woke up his father after hearing someone out on the porch of the family home, police said.

Four family members were at home at the time and began watching a security camera monitor when they saw a man later identified as Spitzer throw something onto their rear deck, Emma said.

The item turned out to be a rag soaked in flammable liquid intended to light the house on fire, police said. Rottenberg and his son went outside, where the father confronted Spitzer, Emma said.

"Somehow  we're not sure yet how the victim's clothes caught on fire," Emma said. "He has severe burns to his face, arms, and chest."

The Rottenberg's son rolled him on the ground to put out the flames, Emma said. Spitzer is alleged to have fled the scene before being arrested by police at 8:30 a.m.

Rockland Paramedic Services was called to the scene and found a badly burned Rottenberg sitting on the front steps of his home. He was taken to the burn unit at Westchester Medical Center.

Police said Spitzer also had serious burns to his hands and arms. He was hospitalized in Nyack before being taken to Cornel Medical Center.

Other charges against Spitzer are possible, including attempted murder or murder if Rottenberg were to die, police said.

The attack came on the first night of Lag B'Omer, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish celebration involving dancing around bonfires.
Fire departments in Hillcrest, Monsey, Tallman and West Haverstraw responded to 17 trash bin and garbage can fires between 8:01 p.m. Saturday and 12:35 p.m. Sunday.

Ramapo police were later assisted by the Rockland Sheriff's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation fire unit and the Rockland County Computer Crimes Unit.

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boyskver » 25/5/2011 01:31

New Square arson victim hires lawyers
suspect arraigned in NYC hospital

NEW SQUARE — An attorney hired by the family of a man severely burned during an arson attempt early Sunday reiterated the family's claim that the attack was orchestrated by religious leaders of the Hasidic Jewish village.

Michael Sussman will hold a news conference Wednesday afternoon in front of Aron Rottenberg's Truman Avenue home where Sunday's attack occurred.

Sussman said Rottenberg had no personal issues with the suspect, Shaul Spitzer, 18, contradicting the position of a village leader.

Sussman said Rottenberg's rights to practice his religion were violated by the leadership of grand rabbi David Twersky, the dynastic spiritual leader of the Skver Hasidic Jewish community.

"Rather this event culminated months of increasingly violent and coordinated religiously bias attacks on Mr. Rottenberg triggered by the victim's choice of synagogue and religious leader," Sussman said

Spitzer was being arraigned this morning in a Manhattan hospital burn unit room. He suffered severe burns to his arms and hands.

Ramapo police charged Spitzer with felony counts of second-degree attempted murder, first-degree arson and first-degree assault.

Spitzer is accused of tossing a flammable item onto the rear porch of Rottenberg's home on Truman Avenue.

Rottenberg, a plumber, and his family have been the targets of community intimidation since last year, police reports and Internet videos show.

Mobs of people descended on his house, demanding he leave the Skver Hasidic Jewish community.

Rottenberg and his family said his refusal to pray in Twersky's synagogue led to retaliation from community members. Rottenberg's family and residents say Spitzer worked as a butler in the grand rabbi's home.

After 4 a.m. Sunday, Rottenberg confronted Spitzer outside his house. Both of them caught fire, police said.

Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns across 50 percent of his body. He's being treated at the Westchester Medical Center.

Spitzer is being treated at the Cornell Medical Center in Manhattan with serious burns to his hands and arms.

Ramapo Detective Lt. Mark Emma said this morning that a video from Rottenberg's house shows one man outside.

He said detectives are investigating all avenues of the case, including who broke Rottenberg's windows last week and those who attacked his house last autumn.

"We're looking at all the incidents together," Emma said as he drove to Manhattan for the arraignment. We're looking at whether the incidents were done collectively or by people acting individually."

Emma said one other family on Bush Lane has reported being targeted, but "Mr. Rottenberg for some reason has been the principal victim."

Emma said detectives spoke to Rottenberg, but he was under heavy sedation. His son-in-law, Moshe Elbaum, said Rottenberg has been in great pain.

Spitzer declined to talk to police without his attorney, James Licata, the county public defender, Emma said.

Check back later for updates on this story and read more Wednesday in The Journal News and on LoHud.com.


 

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תוקן על ידי boyskver ב- 25/05/2011 01:54:27

boyskver » 25/5/2011 01:51

November Letter From New Square Leadership Calls For Hasidm To Eject Dissident From Village

New Square Letter 11-2-10 "But to all our sorrow, there is one individual…who even after the members of the congregation warned him time after time to uproot his dwelling from the village… he is still pushing us off and upholding his decision [to pray elsewhere], therefore it is upon us to publicize that not only was the right to live here in the village taken from him, along with [the right] to send his sons to our institutions, we are also prohibiting him from entering public buildings, for example the synagogue, the ritual bath, hall of song and prayer, etc, and you have to stop him from the entering."

Where did the violence in New Square come from?

Perhaps the following letter issued in November 2010 against another New Square dissident:

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מנהל_ניק » 25/5/2011 02:22

ביטע נישט מגיב זיין דא נאר וועגן סקווירא נייעס

די גאנצע שמועס האט מען אריבערגעפירט אין אנדערן אשכול

http://www.bhol-forums.co.il/topic.asp?cat_id=4&topic_id=2894882&whichpage=1&forum_id=21016

מנהל_ניק » 25/5/2011 02:34

קרעדיט: boyskver
Cought on Tape the Congragation leader terrosing in the name of the Grand Rabbi

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מנהל_ניק » 25/5/2011 02:37

קרעדיט: boyskver
סקווער איז מחלל ש"ש לעיני בל העולם כולו ר"ל, וועלטס נייעס היינט אויף דראדש רעפארט! DRUDGE REPORT


http://drudgereport.com/

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/family-man-burned-after-prayer-group-dispute-20110523

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די רוצחים מאכן יעצט א קאווער אפ מיט זייער ב"ד, 6 חדשים פירן זיי אן כסדר טעראר אפן די גאנצע שטאט זעט ווי יעדע וואך ברעכט מען ווינדאס יעדען טאג איז דאס שטעטל פול מיט פאליציי  מלא חילול השם קיין ווארט האבן די מנהיגים מיט זייער ב"ד געזאגט, יעצט ווען מען האט שוין  ארעסטירט דעם רבין'ס  הויז בחור  דעמאלטס געבן זיי א מחאה, וואס פארא היפעקריטן זענען זיי!

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קליפ » 25/5/2011 03:16

http://burnvictimfund.com/

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boyskver » 25/5/2011 04:15

נעקסט קימט דער רבי אינטער די אינוועסטיגעשין
http://youtu.be/1WBpgil2YHk

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boyskver » 25/5/2011 05:33

הגה"צ הרב וואזנער שליט"א אב"ד סקווער מאנטריאל פארדאמט פראזענדליך דעם סקווערן רבין פאר זיינע סקווערע אכזריות קעגען זיין ידיד הרה"ח ר' חיים אהרן ראטטנבערג לרפואה שלימה בקרוב

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תוקן על ידי boyskver ב- 25/05/2011 06:08:11

boyskver » 25/5/2011 05:46

http://youtu.be/DMxpnC9Laak


PART 2 TV 12

 



תוקן על ידי boyskver ב- 25/05/2011 05:59:37

סענעטאר » 25/5/2011 06:06

קען איינער קאנפירמען צי דער בריוו וואס בויסקווער האט דא ארויפגעשטעלט פון הג"ר יוחנן וואזנער שליט"א איז אן אמת'ער?
 
ווייל אויב יא איז דער סקווירא'ער רבי אויף גרויסע צרות הן ביי די אידן און הן ביי די גוים.

אומזיסט » 25/5/2011 07:05

טראכסט טאקע אז ער וואלט געשריבן דעם בריוו מיט דעם פאראגראף כ"ק אדמו"ר שליט"א מיגו דלא מחה ש"מ דניחא לי'?

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ספרינטער » 25/5/2011 07:28

קען זיין אז רבי_יונה האט עס געמאכט, ער האט דאך עקספיריענס.

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סענעטאר » 25/5/2011 07:34

דאס סקווירא צמצום איז למעלה מן המשוער. הג"ר יוחנן וואזנער האט שוין ארויסגעגעבן א הכחשה בכתב יד אז דער פאשקעוויל איז נישט אמת.

ברךמשהחסיד » 25/5/2011 07:45

דער פאשקעוויל בריוו בשם הג"ר יוחנן שליט"א, איז זייער טפשות'דיג און מען זעט קלאר אז ס'איז שקר, עס איז נישט מעגליך אז ער זאל דאס שרייבן. און איך ווייס נישט פארוואס מען האט אים געוואלט טשעפען.

ספרינטער » 25/5/2011 07:46

די סקווירא רבי'ס פרצוף איז שוין ארויסגעקומען אויף די עפנטליכקייט אויף די גאנצע וועלט, דעי אלע בריוו'ן פאלשע און עכטע צוגלייך מאכן נישט אויס קיין סך.

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סענעטאר » 25/5/2011 07:48

אזא הכחשה בריוו גיבט אסאך חיזוק פאר די שונאים ארויסצוגעבן נאך בריוו'ן בשם יעדן דיין פון סקווירא איבער די וועלט, און דערצו וועלן זיי אלע דארפן געבן הכחשות.
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