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At 12:01 PM, Anonymous said…
"why was Simcha Felder kicked out of the 66th Pct last night and who did it? "
Because he didn't do anything BEFORE to prevent this from happening... That is why...
We didn't ask him to go to 66 pct last night. All we want from him is to work just a little bit...
א שמועס וואס איך האב מיטגעהאלטן:
- פארוואס מיינסטו זענען די פאליציי געווען אזוי גרייט אין בארא פארק מיט רייאט גיער?
- זיי זענען געווען אקטיוויזירט פון אפערעישאן סאנדאון!
[בילד – נישט אפגעהיט]
At 2:56 PM, said…
I spoke to someone who was in the precinct when Esposito made the remarks. Unfortunately he lost himself and should have never made those remarks. He has been so good to all of us over the years. It is a big mistake for felder, Hikind and the others that he was pogeiyah in their kovod to step down. He should just apologize and everything will be fine.
Video clips from the Riot of Boro Park
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At 3:35 PM, VOS IZ NEIAS said…
Jason Horowitz is hitting the pavement in Borough Park today.
Here is his report:
In the storefront Yidel's Grocery on 12th Avenue between 48th and 50th streets in Borough Park,
there's a photo of a guy wearing a varsity jacket with a letter on it, no yarmulke, and he's about to light a bunch of posters on fire. All of these 13- and 14-year-old Orthodox kids are circled around him, eyes agog, looking pretty psyched.
In the neighborhood, the photo, and the amateur video from which it's taken, are in high demand. The idea is that opportunistic criminals who aren't orthodox Jews are responsible for much of the mayhem on Tuesday night.
Boro Park councilman Simcha Felder told The Politicker: "It is irrelevant to me." It was "inexcusable" that young people in his neighborhood watched and egged on the riot.
"I think there are a number of tapes floating around now," he said. But he also said he thought it unlikely they'd surface. Even if they do show non-Jews lighting fires at the riot, they also show large groups of young Orthodox men comporting themselves in a generally ungentlemanly manner
And this is going on daily; I wonder if that's the law if you are a politician you don't have to follow the law.
Maybe I am in the wrong business
Joseph Esposito has called us F+++Jews what excuse is it that he was under pressure, and because he was under pressure he does not have to apologize.
The Jewish community of Boro Park are demanding an apology from Joseph Esposito, and if you don't know how to apologize I guess this job is not for you.
Questioned for the mayor of New York
If I go on the Street and I see a police arrest a 75 year old man which I have respect for him, and they handle him like a dog, what should I do.
Don't tell me that I should call 311 for an investigation, because what ever the police are going to say you going to believe them and not me
Should I at least let the police know that it's not appropriate to do that, or I am not allowed to talk to them because they are God's greatest gift
By the way what's the whole point of an investigation, the mayor himself said already that he does not see that the police or police commissioner did anything wrong,(I guess they are close friends)
I would like to see an investigation with people from our community involved (not our politicians), to make sure that the right investigation takes place
In the mayor's speech he only accused us for demonstrating, he did not accused the police commissioner for using dirty language, I think this itself needs a complete investigation
At 10:49 AM, Anonymous said…
The Young and the Restless Opinion Columnist
THE Orthodox Jews of Borough Park in Brooklyn lead a double life. They are at once an insular community, deliberately isolated from what many see as the corrupting force of the surrounding culture, and an integral and recognizable part of New York. That duality was on display last Tuesday, when protests erupted after an encounter between police officers and an Orthodox Jew who was stopped for talking on his cellphone while driving.
Of all the Jews in Brooklyn, about 37 percent call themselves Orthodox, and of all the neighborhoods in Brooklyn, none is a better known Orthodox heartland than Borough Park (or, as the locals spell it, Boro Park). The neighborhood, which took on a suburban character in the 1920's when rows of houses were built on tree-lined streets, has been transformed over the last 40 years from "suburb to shtetl," as the sociologist Egon Mayer put it.
The Hasidim and other ultra-Orthodox Jews make up a significant proportion of what seems to many outsiders an extraordinarily closed society, with its Yiddish vernacular and expressive Jewishness. which has more than 110 yeshivas, 240 synagogues and many Jewish specialty shops, and where the sexes are segregated to the greatest extent possible, they often you could feel that you are visiting another country.
Community leaders and most of the adults in the enclave know that they depend on the police to make their island in the city secure. They value their officers — even if they are certain that many have no understanding of the culture and society they protect. This is a profound change for a group that includes a great many children of Holocaust survivors as well as survivors themselves; in their collective memory, the police were often a part of the problem rather than a source of security. It is not surprising, therefore, that many of these older people, including the 75-year-old man at the center of the incident, were unwilling to condemn the police unequivocally.
Young people, born and raised in New York, were the ones who caused most of the hubbub last week, and for all the efforts their elders have made to insulate them from the surrounding culture, they've absorbed it. When they began yelling, "No justice, no peace," they were not quoting the Hebrew prophets or the Torah; they were echoing their African-American neighbors in the borough, who abhor what they perceive as disrespect from the police.
These young Orthodox Jews have learned how a beleaguered and threatened minority in this city can respond when it wants to rein in the police or the powerful. This Passover season, as the Jewish people celebrate their liberation from slavery, these youngsters wanted to express their liberation from what they saw as another too-powerful arm of tyranny — even if the problem was nothing more than a misunderstanding, rather than a return to the bondage of Egypt.
Their rabbis and elders must surely be concerned about this turn of events. More threatening than the incident with the police is the possibility that their children, the products of so much concern and education — the future of their community — may have become too much like the other New York, the one outside the enclave.
At 1:48 PM, said…
Shloma: according to this picture on top of your post, you were not right with an earlier post stating that non Jews sparked the riots, as you could see on that picture that you posted there, it was already dark when the non Jew started his fire, and here you see Orthodox Jews make fires when it is still daylight outside.
Therefor I think you should take down that post.
Received this by e-mail
Shame on you – self hating Jew!
What a Chutzpah!
Op-Ed piece by Lt. Jason Margolis President of NYPD Shomrim Society
titled Shame of Boro Park.
While racial slurs and epithets by decorated Police Officers are a far
removed from the moral equivalent of Nazi era oppression, it still is
an ugly form of Anti Semitism and must be decried as such.
Lt. Margolis there were no riots in Boro Park there was no mass
looting, destruction of property or personal injury, as most certainly would
have been the reaction in other minority communities in this city. The
misbehavior of two three individuals does not impeach the entire
community.
The crowd simply protested police brutality in a relatively peaceful
manner and the egotistical cops over reacted.
Note:
Jason Margolis is a resident of Queens NY and has no connection to Boro
Park.
The NYPD Shomrim Society is a Fraternal Police Organization whose
mission is the benefit of Police Officers, not as their name may imply ''the
protectors of the community.''
Jason S. Margolis hates us and he is trying to do everything to destroy the Shomrim of Boro Park.
Jason S. Margolis when is your yearly party with all the police officers going to be, didn't they threaten you if you don't talk they will not come to your party.
Jason S. Margolis shame on Boro Park, shame on you you, you don't even live in this area who are you to talk
Jason S. Margolis you should know when Joseph Esposito said F***Jews, he meant you to
Jason Margolis
In the end of the New York Post article you said as follow
The Shomrim Society stands 100 percent behind the actions of the police in regard to the Borough Park riot, and backs Chief Esposito completely. We know the accusations against him are totally without merit. And we know that behavior like last week's riot is unacceptable - and shameful - no matter what the circumstances or the ethnic makeup of those involved.
I wonder if the reason you said that is because as you said earlier in that article
Chief Esposito has gone out of his way to help out Jewish cops in need both professionally and personally
Thank you I know he helps you and Jewish cops personally, but what is with us, people from the community we also need help
You are selfish as selfish it comes, because you get favors from them you are willing to throw us and then say shame people of Boro Park
You are surrounded with full of corruption, and I am proud to say shame to Jason Margolis
Part of the article in the New York Post from corrupted Jason Margolis is
Chief Esposito has gone out of his way to help out Jewish cops in need both professionally and personally. He has attended more Shomrim events than many of our members, and Shomrim has honored him for his help and dedication to the Jewish members of the NYPD.
That's it he comes to your parties and did you personal favorites, shame on you how would you not be embarrassed to say this in public, such politicians like you have to go, because that's only what you care parties personal favorites, and then be willing to sell us in public like the worst people
At 3:19 PM, Anonymous said…
As a resident of Borough Park for the last 30 years, I question why is it that Hasidic Jews in Borough Park should get preferential treatment from the police? I have seen their immunity from being issued parking tickets.
How do they get away with striking police officers? If it were any other religious group, they might have gotten shot.
At 11:22 PM, Anonymous said…
Obviously they would never have to use guns, there isn't a hava amina that the yidden would have weapons on them.
The events of Tuesday evening, April 4, in Boro Park remain subject to interpretation. Prominent local businessman Arthur Schick said he was pulled over by police officers for talking on his cell phone and that he complied with their instructions. Then, he said, the officers asked him for his registration, driver's license and insurance, which he handed over. The 75-year-old Schick then got out of his car and asked the officer for his name.
"In a belligerent way he said, 'Don't you see my badge?' " Schick claimed, and said that when he asked for the other officer's name, he was told to get back in his car.
"Then I said exactly this: 'Sir, do me a favor. Just give me the name of your driver,' " Schick told The Jewish Press. At that point, he said, he was arrested without warning.
"They pushed and shoved me. I pleaded for help to get into the van," but instead he was pushed into the van.
The NYPD did not respond to an e-mail from The Jewish Press, but in other news reports various police sources stated that Schick was uncooperative and resisted arrest.
What happened during the ensuing melee is also a matter of dispute. Was it a riot or a protest? Hundreds of local chasidic men, mostly teenagers, took to the streets in reaction to Schick's arrest. Two police cruisers, as well as a few garbage cans, were set afire. Chasidim chanted "No justice, no peace" in front of the 66th Precinct station house, and some threw garbage and blocked streets.
"From my perspective, the events that happened that night are a sad comment on the education of our children – in what derech eretz means, in respecting everyone, especially people in government," said New York City Councilman Simcha Felder, who witnessed part of the disturbance.
"There are no excuses for what happened," he said. "How do you condone that? It's crazy, nuts." He added that many parents kept their kids back from joining in, and that it's important to note that the overwhelming majority of the community condemns such behavior.
"Perhaps it was only 12 or 15 boys – that's being investigated based on footage by the NYPD – who were the ones who started the fires. If they are caught, I have no rachmanus [pity] for them. I feel bad for them, but I have no rachmanus."
Felder said that in some ways he was caught in the middle. "People were screaming at me that you̓re selling out to the cops," he said. He said that he dispersed 150 people near the precinct and challenged local residents who were justifying the riot.
Afterwards, Felder and New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind complained publicly about remarks made by the Chief of Department Joseph Esposito, the highest ranking uniformed officer in the NYPD. Felder said that he heard Esposito yelling "Get these [expletive] Jews out of here." Esposito has claimed that he said "people," not Jews.
After Esposito issued a formal apology, without specifying exactly what he had said, both Felder and Hikind said the issue was closed.
"We have always held Chief Esposito in the highest regard," a joint press release by the two politiciansstated. "He has been a friend and continues to be a friend to us personally and to our community. In reaching out to us and the community, the chief brings closure to the events which transpired in Borough Park this week."
"If I didn't know him for over 20 years as a good person, a decent person, then I'd be out there even today going after him," Hikind said. "The things said never should have been said."
Hikind was much more indignant regarding the rioting on the streets. (See Op-Ed, page 4) "What people in the community did is unconscionable," he said. "How could this happen? How could people who learn Gemara all day turn into hoodlums? ... For what? It's ridiculous....The anti-Semitism created this week – you can't even measure it.
"Anyone who said it was only a few individuals – it's a lie," Hikind said. "I̓m afraid, though, that there will be no one trying to figure out what went wrong and how kids who sit over Gemara could behave this way."
Both Felder and Hikind responded to criticism that they had been harping on Esposito's comments much more than on the rioting that took place. They both pointed out that the first thing they criticized during their press conference late Tuesday night was the behavior of the community, and that they have been continuously condemning it.
But, Felder said, the moment he mentioned that he had heard an apparent anti-Semitic comment from Esposito, that was all the media was interested in covering.
The NYPD's internal affairs and the NYC Civilian Complaint Review Board are continuing to investigate the comments of Esposito, the arrest of Schick, and some other complaints of police actions by local chasidim. In addition to Schick, two other Orthodox Jews were arrested for their alleged parts in the rioting .
why was Simcha Felder kicked out of the 66th Pct last night and who did it?