Major MVA on RT 42

לפי השמועה ה"ה האברך היקר המנוח פסח משה צבי גאלדבערג ז"ל.

אשתו במצב קריטי, ווער ס'ווייסט איר נאמען ביטע פאוסטען.

ווער ס'האט מער פרטים ביטע פאוסטען.





בהוקרה,
דזשיד

שומו שמים !!!

יום גבר האויב !

R' Simcha Bernath, NYS State Police Liasion, is on the scene helping out.
Buroch Gips (B13 from Hatzolah) is cordinating the scene.

Anybody with more info please post right away.

Just got word that Chesed shel emes is on the way to the scene

לויט וואס איך האב געהערט איז די מאמע קריטיש און די "קינדער" נישט, קענסטו נאך אמאל פעסט שטעלען וואס די שרייבסט בנוגע דעם בר מצוה בחור?




בהוקרה,
דזשיד

ברוך דיין אמת.

מי שאמר לעולמו די יאמר לצרותינו די.

דער מאמעס נאמען:

אוי! רבוש"ע וואס נאך ווילסטו פון אונז!!!

העלף שוין מיט א ישועה אמיתית במהרה דידן!!

וואו נעמט מען אזויפיל גייסטישע כוחות צו פארדייען די שמועות מבהילות!

לאמיר תשובה טוהן אפלאזן מחלוקת וועט זיין פיין און וואויל אמן!!

Sunday, July 24, 2005
South Fallsburg +Very Serious MVA+
South Fallsburg +Serious MVA+ On Route 42 and Thompsonville Road at the blinking light an MVA head-on collision with 2 victims heavily pinned and unconscious, Hatzolah BLS on scene requesting ALS and also Medivac to launch.

U/D: 21:16
Total of five aided and one confirmed DOA A.I. Team in route

U/D: 21:42
Father a Bal Simcha tonight with 6 other family members involved.

U/D:
Ambulance with the children on the way to the hospital broke down, Hatzolah requesting another bus with a rush.
posted by VOS IZ NEIAS @ 8:57 PM

31 Comments:

At 10:57 PM, Anonymous said…

anybody know the name of the wife Mrs. Goldberg?


At 11:02 PM, Anonymous said…

Please be mispallel for Chaya Tobeh bas Sarah Rifka. she is currently undergoing a cat-scan in Westchecter.

One of the kids has a broken foot.


At 11:02 PM, y said…

her maiden name is Weiss from Pupa Williamsburg


At 11:04 PM, y said…

her name is Chaya Tobeh bas Sarah Rifka


At 12:09 AM, Anonymous said…

does anybody have info when and where is the Levaia


At 12:10 AM, Anonymous said…

anybody know how the accident happend?


At 12:12 AM, Anonymous said…

many tragic accidents happening in sullivan county this summer. i am familiar with that intersection in
the winter is very quiet. in the summertime when the population explodes perhaps a traffic light is necessary? also i would like to know if everybody is using seatbelts and caution driving in sullivan county? i know i am becoming leery of driving on the rt 42 corridor.


At 12:13 AM, Anonymous said…

it comes to show that after 2 incidents this summer from the bobover community,that peace has to be made and the fighting over nonsense should stop immediately.


At 12:16 AM, Anonymous said…

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At 6:42 AM, Anonymous said…

We have to do teshiuveh on SOOOOOOOOOOO Manyyyyyyyyyy Things.... Machlokos is one major issue... We are going into the YEMAY Metazurim... CHAZ"L tell us vey clear ... ""That Both Bais Hamikidosh are Churev because of Maclokos"" and Mushiach WANTS so much to coma and save us BUT where should he come ?? Monroe? Willamsburg? BP? Crown? Lakewood?? HE is affraid he will be kicked out by the OTHER group!!! In haven he is safe... LETS BUILD a sfag ground for Moshiach!!!

פליס סטאפ קאפיען דא פון "וואס איז נייעס"!

יעדער ווייסט אליין ווי אזוי צו גיין קוקן דארט, מען דארף נישט קיינער זאל דא אריינקלעבן.

לאמיר אליין דא רעדן איבער וואס האט געשען!

ווי אזוי האט דאס פאסירט?

א סאך מענטשן שטייען דארט צו כאפן היטשעס, וואס איז זייער סכנה'דיג. איך זאג אלץ פאר מיין ווייב איך קען נישט סטאפען (אדער אויף 17B) און זי שרייט מיך אן. בין איך גערעכט?

אגב, באמערק, די שרעקלעכע טראגדיעס היי יאר איז געווען אין סאטמאר און באבוב, די צוויי חסידות'ן וואס פייטן, האבן גענוצט NYPD אין זייערע שולן, ETC. איז עס א צופאל?

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מ'האט זיך גענומען צו הצלה!

זענען זיי גערעכט וואס זיי שרייבן?

Anonymous said...
I heard some hatalah were upset why the boy was not airlifted to a trauma center as well.

A hatalah member told me today, that B13 and others should have known, that anyone in a car were someone was killed, needs to go to a trauma center and they should have called another chopper.

The problem was the hatzalah mambers thought the boy was basically ok, but of course it turns out he had a broken pelvic, and had to be transported (by helicopter or ambulance? anyone knows?) to westchester.

11:13 AM


Anonymous said...
Does anyone realize the complexity regarding getting a chopper to a scene? Yes maybe he should have transferred them all to a Trauma Center, but calling for a second chopper is not always possible.

11:19 AM


NotHatzolah said...
Sometimes when there is a mass casualty scene, and even when its just one injured, even experienced hatzolah members can become overwhelmed, and chaos can rule.

This goes to a deeper argument, over how well is Hatzolah trained, and how qualified are the CoOrdinators. Most coordinaters are strong armed into the position, and lead by fear.

There needs to be some qualification to being a coordinator, and not just someone who is politically connected.

11:24 AM


NotHatzolah said...
Does anyone know why B13 was in charge and not F60? Was F60 even there?

11:24 AM


Anonymous said...
The levayeh in camp Shalva ended at 11 o'clock. Rabbi Gips and Goldman spoke. They are now on the way to BP. The levayeh will probably be at 3

11:25 AM


Anonymous said...
Because B13 is a co-ordinator and a Bobover who happened to have been a minute away from the accident. He was the first responder.

11:27 AM


Anonymous said...
They almost never land a chopper on the scene; rather to a close parking lot.

It is no big deal to bring 2, it is done all the time, you can also send 2 people in one chopper.

The problem is that the BP hatzala members and coordinators are not enough familiar with the system up there, being used to run to IZ. The upstate gusy know this much better. the call medivac all the time, to ANY serius accident and don't get so excited as hatalah gets when bringing in a chopper.

Hatzalah in the C even conceded this year, and only Sullivan county can now ask for a chopper, after a simmiler bad desician by hatzala last summer, on a child struck in monticello. F60 was then smart enough to concede that his mambers are not made for this, and the county, FD and sherrif handle this better.

But as another said, whoever watched any major hatazala scene knows, it becomes so chayotic, that even the best coordinator will loose his head.

A kid with a broken pelvis, in a car were someone was killed, goes to a truama center!

11:43 AM


NotHatzolah said...
If its not Hatzalah that makes the decisions about choppers anymore, then why was only one called. How come the locals didn't call two?

On another point, I am amazed that in the country people rely exclusively on Hatzolah and ignore the locals and MobileMedic. There are times when it takes 15 minutes for Hatzolah to respond in the country, yet the locals could have responded alot sooner.

11:56 AM


NotHatzolah said...
Can anyone confirm if F60 was on the scene? Also does anyone know the condition of the body that they were able to declare him DOA and not even treat him?

11:57 AM


Anonymous said...
I actually heard 2 choppers we're reqested by sullivan county, but one was canceled by hatzalah on scene.

11:57 AM


Anonymous said...
Why does a scene become so chaotic? Is it the lack of coordination, the buffs that show up, the adrenalin? Or is there some other reason.

When is Hatzolah going to properly train for these types of events, so that cooler minds will be in control of such high pressured incidents.

11:59 AM


Anonymous said...
So Hatzolah overrulled the locals in regards to a Chopper? So much for letting the locals make decisions that they are better experienced about.

12:00 PM


Anonymous said...
Being that everyone is jumping to conclusions let me explain.... A chopper is ONLY allowed to be called to a scene by ALS (paramedics) this is a system wide rule and applies to local EMS as well as Hatzola. You said "Hatzalah in the C even conceded this year, and only Sullivan county can now ask for a chopper" this is false. In order to request a chopper to the scene the Sullivan County Dispatcher has to be notified since the chopper communicates with the units on the scene through their frequency. In addition, once the chopper arrives on the scene the medics on board the chopper evaluate the patient(s) and then determine if the patient is stable enough to fly. If the patient is not stable they get referred to the local hospital (Harris) to be stablized and then they get choppered over to a trauma center. In the case of a broken Pelvic, any one in the medical field knows that a broken pelvic is cause for MASS blood loss, thereby, eleminating a flight to any trauma center untill fluids are given and the patient is stabilized......

12:01 PM


NotHatzolah said...
And why can't the fluids be given by the medics on the field? How about using MAST pants. I know in the city they are never used, but this is exactly the situation that calls for that.

12:08 PM


Anonymous said...
TOTALLY NOT TRUE!!

1) a chopper can be called by any police or EMS on scene, NOT just medics! (look up the westcheter web site.)

2) As was in the Record lately, Hatzaloh agreed with Sullivan county, that when they need a chopper they ask Sullivan to call for them. Sullivan Fire then sets up a landing zone and the FD, NOT hatzala, communicates with the chopper.

3) you are correct, the chopper medics avaluate the pt on scene and decide.

4) broken pelvis is unstable to fly! BS! they fly drivers who are almost dead! as long as they are not coded!
again, look in their web site. pelvic fracture is one of the reasons to call a chopper!

5) give fluids? It is now excepted that fluid does not do much for major trauma victims. what they need is a LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER and a fast surgury to stop the blood loss, NOT a little fluid!

12:13 PM


Anonymous said...
Whats the website that you are reffering to?

12:14 PM


NotHatzolah said...
So what someone is saying, is that they properly called for 2 choppers, and that the medics on the chopper made the decision to not transport a broken pelvis?

12:15 PM


Anonymous said...
Sullivan county got the info from the police, on how many injuries there are, and asked for two choppers.

The police and FD there are very good at this; since they only have small hospitals they MUST by state law transfer these victims by chopper.

Hatzalah on the scene probably did not recognize the pelvis problem and canceled the second chopper. (the helicopter medics did not even see the boy)

Yes, it is an old story that hatzalah has too many hot heads, who totally loose it on major accidents. They are not realy made for this. the locals would be much better at this.

12:17 PM


Anonymous said...
You guys are making it sound like Hatzolah messed up.

12:18 PM


Anonymous said...
It is very clear that Hatzolah needs more training in dealing with these types of incidents.

12:19 PM


Anonymous said...
Gips does not have the knowledge for such an accident, in upstate Sullivan county. "Maybe" F60 would be better.

ווי האט איינער געזאגט?
יא, יא מ'דארף שוין אויפהערען מיט די מחלוקת אבער ס'גוט צו לערנען דרייווען אויך

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

תיקון טעות,

דער נאמען פון די מאמע, איז:

טויבא חנה בת שרה רבקה.

where can i see a video from it?

Talking about bringing police in shul,

a few years ago the krasne shul also had the taste of it, and the late rabbi spirer zy"a was a member of
that kehile

in london this winter satmer brought police and german dogs to the shul the late reb moishe gross zy"a was a member of that kehile

I am not implying that they had anything to do with
this dispicable act but they might have been the korben l"a

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

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